Pcm1795 vs es9038 forum Think of the difference between the words classical and popular. ess9038pro I have the musical paradise mp-d2 mkI with akm4490 and love the sound, here's my question. Jun 16, 2020 #41 @Audiophonics looking at these measurements it looks like THD+N is mostly dominated by the performance of < 1 euro NJM 2114 opamps which are spec'd at 0. Joined Apr 13, 2010 Posts 20 Likes 10. The Sabre ES9038 family offers 7 filter presets. 0005% or -106db. Equipment Forums. It's very easy to use - if a comment on your post is considered helpful, please reward them by using the term !thanks. Bright vs warm. I'm just wondering if anyone has had any experience with either chip, There is a certain elegance to it that you don't normally find in this price category. Aug 10, 2019 2,556 4 0 Visit site. New posts Latest activity. Hi, Burr Brown DAC chipset was at the forefront of DAC design, nowadays there are so many competitors. Followers 0. I chose 9028PRO vs 9038pro, as its lower current demands (therefor somewhat more freedom in output stage choice) and equal or very slightly better SNR, at a slightly lower price; turned out to be a better value proposition; for my use-case. 2018-05-04 6:20 pm #5 2018-05-04 6:20 pm #5 The board arrived. 32. Intend to use this thread to document my progress and the result. Datasheet is very promising :D. I never understood why they chose SMSL as their brand since it is often used when text messaging as an The DAC chip in the AV8801 is a Texas Instruments PCM1795. A good question is can electrically produced or processed music become classical years from now. The main difference compared to the DSD1793 is the addition of a digital attenuator (DATT). Hi-Fi. Audio Audio forum. For around ¥2000 (under A$400) landed it seems like a well-implemented ES9038. Portable Headphone Amps. Joined Jan 15, 2020 Messages 4,826 Likes 7,467. I am using a very nice preamp and have a revealing system. I can't find any information on the sigma-delta modulator, but I would assume it is a multi-level design. Hello everyone, I want some expert opinions on swaping a PCM1796 with a PCM1795, as i read on TI specs sheet, both are the same pin configuration and pin by pin compatible, the only difference is that the PCM1795 is 32 bit DAC, I am thinking do this mod to the SONY XA-5400ES SACD PLAYER. When we first compared the Burr-Brown DAC we were using to I've heard good things of (from) the PCM1796 / PCM1792 - at least the actually Among them are use of separate clocks for 44/88/176 vs 48/96/192 content and I have done enough reading that it appears the two latest chips are the Sabre or OK, before you flame a reply to my heading please read this section. 2017-08-01 3:13 pm #17 2017-08-01 3:13 pm #17 A couple of points about DACs Within the mass production process of a batch lot of DACs, there can/will be slight test measurements differences between similar units. Aug 21, 2019 #11 HI Amir Thanks for this review. sterling shoote Audioholic Field Marshall. DVD/UHD Blu-ray & Misc Hardware. 220 mV output by default and 1 V when you raise the volume in USB Audio Player pro (you can launch the trial, raise the volume and exit the app and then have the volume unlocked for all apps). Joined Aug 29, 2019 Messages 11,109 Forum Home Amplifiers Solid State Pass Labs Tubes / Valves Chip Amps Class D Power Supplies Headphone Systems. SMSL D1SE Balanced ES9038PRO DAC CPLD Altera XMOS 32bit 768kHz DSD512 ;) Reviews. Thread starter KoldKore; Start date Dec 27, 2014; Dec 27, 2014 at 6:08 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 1 KoldKore New Head-Fier. From the site: It achieves the world’s highest class of low THD+N and The digital and control aspects of the ES9028/ES9038 DACs are in some ways similar to the ES9018 - but in many more ways are a significant departure from the venerable (and still excellent) ES9018. Audio, Audio, Audio! General Audio Discussions . HV supply for Pure i/V use one Now you can see schema off Pure i/V SE and par list! thanks quanghao PM: and some information about it Site Site Announcements Forum Problems & Feedback Terms and Rules. Then I'll pull the 6000A out of the closet and Pull the Rotel and sell that. what are your thoughts 4497 or 9038pro? AKM AK4499EQ: I decided to try the Fiio M15, and went with it vs the SP2000 because it was a third of the price for the exact same AKM4499EQ chips. My first was a shootout between PCM5102 was rather mediocre - worse even than PCM2702 (not PCM2704) in my mostly spider-soldered solution. Thread starter pimy; It’s probably similar, main difference being the issue D90SE has with certain optical and Put the best chip in a horseshit DAC circuit and it might as well be a $2. D. Joined 2017. Thread starter econsumer666; There are the ES9028 and ES9038 now also though. Both DAC's are good - really good. Streaming to the DAC from a 3b+ Rasp Pi. Even if we could do that, you still have to take the totality of the signal chain into account, and the measurements Thanks for the advice, you have some good points there! I've been using the E17/E09 combo for almost 5 years and my brain is definitely "burned in" to the sound they produce with the Adams - for the last 24 hours, I've been going back and forth between the dx3pro and the older setup - and keep finding the original setup sounding better (although the dx3pro Because of the holidays, TI E2E™ design support forum responses will be delayed from Dec. DAC Architecture: R-2R vs. Review Index. A couple of points about DACs Within the mass production process of a batch lot of DACs, there can/will be slight test measurements differences between similar units. A. Dec 29, 2023 #13 alaios said: I am thinking if getting the 400 euros more expensive amplifier makes sense, the extra power that it gives I do not really need. This will add a thank you count (in the form of Ω) to that users flair. Pure I/V SE with 3 tube 12AU7 3. Thread starter Gigantic; Start date Dec 11, 2022; Gigantic A big, big love. We have employed a "thank you" system for submissions. I bought ES9018 Evaluation Board, ES9018K2M Evaluation Board, Twisted Pear Buffalo DAC kit, Buffalo II DAC kit, Chiaki Nakajima ’ s Forum Donor. Differences between PRO/C2M/Q2M/K2M versions of ESS SABRE DACs? Thread starter Merkurio; Start date Jul 22, 2018; Merkurio Senior Member. Yeah. IMHO its easier to design a good AVCC supply for 9028PRO. * brick wall * corrected minimum phase fast * minimum phase slow * minimum phase fast * linear phase slow * linear phase fast * apodizing fast We know from several projects over here, Forums. First Prev 2 of 3 Go to page. Reference. The ES9038's datasheet does have an I/V "schematic", but it's just a "high level schematic", with no actual parts values. Donations. I want to use it as a pre-amp to power speakers, so voltage of XLR at only 2V RMS on the Leaf is disappointing: Leaf DAC Dual 9038Q2M SPEC : 2x Widely recognized as the gold standard in audio digital-to-analog converter (DAC) technology, ESS PRO SABRE DACs set a new standard for a truly immersive, high-resolution audio experience. Good Clearly, the Topping is significantly more resolving than the old TEAC with PCM 24/96 playback. SABRE. Not sure I have the time to invest in such an over-the-top build. I’m interested because I have the chance to pick up the AKM version of a FiiO K9 pro at EUR 100 less than the ESS To me, that is a bid no no. Joined Feb 6, 2018 Messages 9,635 Likes 12,150. I'm having trouble sorting through all the ESS is a cheap consumer box audio DAC that has somehow made it to the audiophools, so tons of hype and massively overpriced. Bass extension also seemed a bit better on my T2 plus (probably due to more power for the DD). glad you chimed in. Joined Jan 9, 2019 Messages 7,507 Likes 25,373 Location Mid-Atlantic, USA. I looked at the Breeze Audio store on Aliexpress and noticed that they are saying: we will continue to use the" Breeze Audio" logo on the products, also "Weiliang Audio" logo will be used on the new products. From format support point of view, the V90-DAC trails the D50 by only supporting PCM up to 192 kHz and no DSD. My reasoning is because it is the DAC of choice a lot of superior quality CD manufactures use, eg Rotel, Arcam etc. If the DAC is better implemented though that would be perhaps a bit more incentive Amir, there are many variations of these boards (different board versions, different components installed, etc. Thread starter Jesse 173451; Start date Mar 20, 2015; Mar 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 2 Jesse 173451 New Head-Fier. Welcome to the e2e forum. It achieves the hot output by combining its 8 internal DACs (vs 2 in Q2M) which also allows for lower signal dependent distortion by averaging out non-linearities in the individual converters. Neutral or neutral with a hint of warmth. ) Multibit DAC ICs were therefore commonly selected and/or provided with external trimming options for at least the most significant bit, Musetec Audio (LKS Audio) MH-DA005 DAC and the Holo May (L2) DAC Compared A comparison of these two DACs is something I wanted to do for months given the numerous stellar reviews of the May and the widely unknown, but highly praised, 005. Dedicated Source Components. I used to scoff at people saying there are differences. 5mm output. -42 dB becomes -102 dB etc. 99 chip. Joined 2010. ModDIY Addicted to Fun and Learning. Brian . Joined Nov 12, 2020 Forum Home Amplifiers Solid State Pass Labs Tubes / Valves Chip Amps Class D Power Supplies Headphone Systems. vs the Topping DX7 which looks pointless on paper but in practice actually Equipment Forums. Posted April 6, 2018. ) from many vendors and various prices, and it is probable that they will measure different if one or another variation has flaws (even from the same vendor, I suppose). I would suggest listening to a Wolfson Micro WM8741/WM8742, AKM AK4490EQ or AK4495 based DAC for something with the minimum phase filter as a comparison. Home Theater Hardware Hangout. So far, AKM has the best sounding DAC ive heard of the flagships. It comes with a nice little switching power supply no bigger than a USB phone charger. Mentions; Tags; More; Cancel; Ask a related question. Similar Description - ES9038: Manufacturer: Part # Datasheet: Description: ESS Technology,Inc: ES9026PRO: 1Mb / 57P: 32-Bit HyperStream짰 I just joined this forum. Instrument placement. I saw the DDDdac on the diy forums that tested wonderfully. Joined Jul 2, 2018 Messages 20 Likes 0. I don't think consumer's should ever do that. Note, I think weight is important to show quality, here you have 750g vs 2kg. Finally thank you all for trusting and looking forward to us. What makes the new DAC chip so special is that it is the highest performing digital to analog converter chip the market has seen, with the lowest harmonic distortion and noise of Forums. Go. M. Why because i really lke pioneers elite blue ray players, one has the Wolfson Audio DACS and the Equipment Forums. The other issue being that these chips aren't on many DACs but am confident that they will Forums. S. Apr 30, 2018 #12 I would never buy a DAC or any piece of audio gear based on specs. The D90SE retails for $899. On ES9018, ES9028, and ES9038Pro, IV they're using 4 resistors values 680, 560, and 120 Ohm respectively. However, the ES9038 IC likely to overheat if you're playing back 176-384khz audio files. Marketplace. Detail. The only issue with current source DAC's is that they are more expensive to implement. I am a self-certified “ fanboy ” of ESS Sabre DAC chip family as a DIY digital audiophile. Since we can look forward to even better audio analyzers. Combination Audio DAC and Headphone Amplifiers Finally what subjective difference do you perceive vs Gustard X16?? Last edited: Jun 1, 2021. The TI E2E support forums Later generation ES9038PRO DACs like the Topping D90SE and the Sabaj A20d 2022 (currently reviewing) An old Hoffman forum Friend from years back! Good of you to chime in here Archimago! I’m reading your review of the Topping right now and the Sabaj dac’s. Digital-to-Analog Converters (DACs) Comparison. Suprised you are not happy with the X26, though. It's kind of odd that SCAD is listed in the specs only to point out it's not supported. Jun 16, 2020 #13 Moving on, great leaps in performance are unlikely for the simple reason that we are now close to the theoretical limits imposed by the random movement of electrons in real world materials. Forum Home Amplifiers Solid State Pass Labs Tubes / Valves Chip Amps Class D Power Supplies Headphone Systems. The PCM1795 today costs over $3 in quantity from Mouser. 1704s are 24-bit newer TI-design Quote: Originally Posted by smeeagain /forum/post/17491265 I am only guessing as I know nothing about the 1796, but I would suggest the Wolfson WM8740 is the superior DAC. This is AKM's highest performance DAC to date. I found it's sound quality stunning compared to the Lumin D2. It's supposed to be the improved version of ES9018 but I don't like the sound from ES9038 and I've heard distortion which makes it untrustworthy. Audio, Audio, Audio! Headphones and Headphone Amplifier Reviews and the balanced feature of the 789. Thread starter Acerun; Start date Apr 29, 2022; Acerun Major Contributor. I haven't tested PCM5102A yet, but the only difference is that it has a slightly reduced amplitude (lower than 2V RMS), because PCM5102 external +3. It was design by Weiliang. Joined Oct 11, 2019 Messages 1,947 Likes 2,972. Firstly, the PCM1794 is a current output DAC, while the PCM5252 is a voltage output device. Trong khi là dual chip, có remote, mạch đọc usb các kiểu, hơn cả opamp )), à đang có mã giảm còn 293 tệ À hãng này cũng có bản es9038 đây, đơn chip, không cổng usb tf, rẻ hơn dual pcm1794 một chút Other manufacturer's ESS ES9038Pro implementations are priced far higher than the Oppo Sonica DAC. GENERAL AV Discussions. What's new. Joined May 20, 2011 Posts 5 Likes 0. Up until recently most people who tried it found it sounded the best of all USB boards they tried. So, is my understanding correct ? Additionally, For I'm a newbie here, but I found this forum very valuable and interesting, so I want just share my limited and humble experience on this topic. com Hi from oz my friend, think more about dollars and less Slow filters usually have a high frequency drop that is easily audible, but it is possible for the designers to fix this. Jan 31, 2023 #23 Do you have exemples of early ES9038 Pro implementations that did not extract top performance. John Member. Jun 13, 2009 #1 Which is better in a cd player or cd/blueray player? I had the OPPO blueray player for a bit during the review period but i did not want to buy when it was over. (I am listing DR as THD+N at -60 dB relative to full-scale, i. B. O. All of this means nothing if the implementation is not done correctly. 'Weiliang Audio"="Breeze Audio" Not saying this is correct but it is their claim. I am biased, but if you have the cash, the Matrix Pro MQA is the best 9038pro that I have used. e. I had jumped around Schiit DAC’s and Headphone amps for 2 years before finally listening with my ears and only looking at and referencing specs as a rudimentary baseline for comparison. Shakespeare's plays started out as popular but became classic. I don't know what chipset the ADI-8 uses. (of course, in line with advice that is regularly given in this forum). 2. It does [ES9038PRO] SMSL SU-9 [ES9038PRO] Gustard DAC-A18 or DAC-A22 (not both) [AK4499 The Topping D90SE is a flagship digital-to-analog converter (DAC) using an ESS SABRE ES9038 PRO DAC chip. Is this the same as the ES9038PRO (found in the OPPO UDP-205 universal 4K player), or is the Forum Home Amplifiers Solid State Pass Labs Tubes / Valves Chip Amps Class D Power Supplies Headphone Systems. It isn't a poorly-measuring distortion-filled sludgefest either like a lot of "warm" DACs tend For PCM1704, the topology of R2R DAC is applied. It looks like the es9038pro with updated modulators. Joined Mar 23, 2018 Messages 2,029 Likes 6,207 Location Cape Coral, FL. Yes. Venus II feels, to me, like the best middle ground between Yggy and Convert-2 that I could dream up. Apr 29, 2022 #1 Is one chip higher quality than the other? staticV3 Grand Contributor. Sabre DACs are supposed to sound "edgy" for instance. I use the BB dac chipset more than 20 years ago and recently I pay more attention to Ak and ES chipsets. We are about to do a deep dive on how DAC chips actually work, and it’s going to get crazy technical. 0004% vs 0. I wanted to verify the opamps used. The Sabre ES9038 is in Toppings D10S. Be just the same with other DACs? I'm planning on a D50s or SU-8 v2. Burr-Brown vs ESS Sabre Home. In order to learn about the ES9038 I will start out with a normal stereo version, however, if the possibility of having a dual mono setting available is Thanks for your reply. . Joined Jan 13, 2021 Messages 1,234 Likes 570 Location San Francisco. ES9018, ES9028, and ES9038 could using same PCB. I use this DAC just to convert USB to Toslink bypassing the actual DAC Which combo is best you think: PCM1795 and upscale 32 bits or DAC ESS Sabre 9018 K2M? Thanks Equipment Forums. The DAC chip itself is only part of the sonic equation. SMSL has poor after sales support as they have shown in multiple recent threads on this forum. okok Senior Member. Respect! Quanghao Andrea Ciuffoli and Quanghao Design I/V DAC ES9038PRO 1) Passive LL1684 (original schematic) measurement ok, sound ok 2) Strange differential stage measurement ok, Forums. The only (vaguely) practical way of reducing so-called Johnson noise is by cooling Forum Donor. A filter bypass mode is available. The difference is alas much less obvious with DSD playback. Many modern ones used discrete resistors at very high cost, mostly because you cannot buy R2R chips any longer (yes, i know about AD's chip, and its PITA to use due to There are DACs that fit this description too - where greater attention is paid to the analogue and digital stages, and the power supplies vs the standard 'datasheet' implementation that is so often trotted out. I plan on getting the mkIII when it comes out, the mkIII can use akm4490,akm4497, or ess9038pro, gary(the designer) prefers the ess9038pro and says it sounds the best, i'm thinking that if i love the sound of the 4490 then i should love the 4497. The question is in the title! Final thoughts. I'm trying to decide between ESS and Burr-Brown for an A/V receiver I'll use with my PC. The SCF (switched capacitor filter) blocks convert the modulator output to The difference is not night-and-day (it never is once you have already reached a certain level of performance) but it is definitely audible and definitely worth the 50€ & trouble (if you're a DIYer). Joined Dec 9, 2019 Messages 24,402 Likes 25,053 Location Canada. Joined Sep 2, 2018 Messages 999 Likes 1,661 Location Harrow, UK. For the DACs that measure better, these are sorted out and put aside and ranked as premium pcs; The DACs that measure better are sold @ higher prices as premium pcs; A typical yield of the Forums. Joined Aug 18, 2020 Messages 2,551 Likes 4,073. Thread starter JayNetTech5; the Fiio M3K vs the M3Pro the M3k having physical controls and a AKM chip while the pro having touch controls and a ESS chip, i liked the M3 Pro much better, made me feel like the AKM was cold and clinical, putting accuracy over enjoyment, while the ESS is smoother and most That is an excellent dac, that not only measures well but has also received high subjective praise from SBAF (another forum), that uses the Schiit Yggy as the standard best dac. Thanks Andrea for the same design I DAC and the i / v with the test gauge. And while we are on the subject of apologies, we should probably say one in advance in case we The Sabre ES9018 is found in SMSL superb little M100 and is dedicated to my subwoofer. 5 years later with listening to both DAC chips on the over 15-20 different DACS that I either owned or heardI can honestly say that to my ears, ESS chips are indeed typically brighter. Two for current to voltage conversion and one for the differential filter circuit. Nov 3, 2023 #3 (Compared to the 105 Amir got). Audio Newbie/Beginner Technical Forum. Sigma-Delta. equipped with really nice power supply; B. The unit was provided by Apos Audio. barrows. Nov 27, 2019 #21 I've got ES9038Q2M DAC HAT vs ES9028Q2M DAC HAT vs ES9038Pro DAC (4): Conclusions 1. And they are designing I/V and filter for. Pure i/V balance with: 2 tube 12AU7+ 2 tube 6DJ8 2. For the DACs that measure better, these are sorted out and put aside and ranked as premium pcs; The DACs that measure better are sold @ higher prices as premium pcs; A typical yield of the Cũng ko hơn con rodrain của em bn. Dac Chips- ES9038Q2M or AK4490 delta sigma (thoughts-opinions) Hide sidebar Show sidebar Thread starter Truthslayer; Start date Nov 26, 2019; Prev. the PCM1795 should be one of those DACs with an affinity to hard-clipping at 0 dBFS and it doesn't look like there is a digital volume control. Short back story: new to this forum, and don't have much time, but I'll try to post a few images using JRiver as the player that I hope can show these recorded 256 DSD performances do show it playing as native DSD. 5 years later with listening to both DAC chips on the over 15-20 different DACS that I either owned or heardI can honestly say that to my ears, ESS chips are indeed I think it would also be better to choose a 9028pro board, as it is less likely to have flaws and both should measure the same anyway for a stereo build of this quality. I'm curious to know what the best measuring Burr-Brown based DAC is, since i don't think i've seen one that does better than maybe 100DB sinad (although the best i could remember off the top of my head is the iFi zen DAC with barely 90DB). I'm going slow with it. Oct 25, 2023 #1 Marantz has released the Marantz CD 50n CD and Network player with HDMI ARC. Better dynamics, control and cleaner sounding. 3 V ADCs had moved into midrange recording ADC terrain with DR slowly creeping up and the addition of differential inputs, and by 2019/2020 it became clear that the analog side would support more if you insisted, culminating in the first straight 123 dB(A) parts being released in 2023. Another forum friend from the Ares 2 thread. 25 through Jan. Compared to it, the Topping looks decidedly industrial. Also, for Mac OS does the default OSX driver function well with Logic and the XMOS XU216 USB chipset? Thank you. _ Last edited: 2021-06-15 2:22 pm. Besides that, the noise floor of 20k+ aliasing is higher on slow filters so ideally you should be hearing a sound that is less smooth, but it's not unheard of for people to interpret it as "more clear", but we're still talking -100dB so it's not too surprising you can't hear ES9038 Datasheet (HTML) - ESS Technology,Inc Similar Part No. Going default to make sure it's working well as it's an 'open box' unit. I've been enjoying two DACs, both of which utilize PCM1704 chips (of the last of the great multibit chips). Just in case I encounter problems with ground loops in the future, So will the PCM1795 dac chip implemented in the Denon with AL32 Processing as Denon markets it. There are some differences in IV stage and LCD Software. Next Last. I was responsible for covering shipping costs to the next reviewer and am not being compensated Site Site Announcements Forum Problems & Feedback Terms and Rules. HifiGuides Forums ESS vs AKM DAC Chips. This is an excellent current output DAC. While the Topping's ESS ES9038 Pro chip can do a great job with minimizing harmonic distortion, the DSD intermodulation results and noise level are actually not any better than the TEAC. I bought the Samsung usb c dongle in a country-wide electronics retail chain (so I know it's not fake) and it's pretty good. The PCM5252 has significantly improved out of band noise. ES9038Pro is no doubt the monster flag ship. Again, a fairly typical PCM path. New posts Search forums. Hazi59 December 27, 2019, 9:36pm 1. VintageFlanker With these new DAC chips and more unusual R2R and FPGAs, what will our bet be on in terms of better sound, technology, etc. You’re free to skip this if you aren’t interested; you certainly don’t need to know this info to pick a good DAC. Thank you for your patience. Hide sidebar Show sidebar Thread starter AcuDefTechGuy We can't hear a difference between THD of 0. Joined Jun 16, 2020 Messages 11,531 Likes 20,653 Location Netherlands. amirm What is the difference sound between 2 different DAC but in the same CHIP , Both SMSL M500 and PPA ES9038 DAC has the the same ES9038PRO DAC chip and same XM Since the launch of Asahi Kasei’s latest flagship DAC the AK4499EQ last year several audio companies have been hard at work, implementing the new chip into their flagship products. See attached detailed pictures. 1; 2; 3; Next. Dec 11, 2022 #1 I recently picked up an Oppo BDP-83 universal disk player, which I'm using as a transport, connected via HDMI to my Marantz NR1604, which uses a Burr Brown PCM1690 Forums. 3V and internally pump-generated -3. Featured Vendors The diyAudio Store; Parts Connexion; As you imply there is no way to back clock SPIDF but I'm not sure if the ES9038 would still need me to set the NCO to match FSR*128 or something. isn't asking $1600 (twice the cost of a Sonica). Loudspeakers Multi-Way Full Range Subwoofers Planars & Exotics. Member. Thread starter Ujjwal; Start date Mar 22, 2019; Tags es9018 Forum Donor. Did not see any data sheet for the 9022, but the TI PCM1798 (they bought Burr-Brown) is a 13 year old DAC chip. I've used the Hi all i found a streamer dac who maybe would fits my needs Its the Nord Easy-Stream with Khadas Tone Board with ES9038 It plays Spotify Connect, Airplay, Qobuz, Tidal, Tunein Radio DLNA, UPNP "dont know if amazon music" It cost 300 dollar + vat so it dosent cost so much if it sound right RME User Forum → ADI-2 & 2/4 Pro series, ADI-2 DAC series → Sound difference of AKM chip vs. Much happier with this than my old Apple USB-C dongle. Burr Brown PCM1690 vs ESS Sabre32. Design the All things being equal, the 9038PRO should outperform the 9018K2M, but once you start changing the configuration of the DACs things get a bit more fuzzy. Of course, there are variables - equipment matching, impedance etc. L. An old Hoffman forum Friend from years back! Good of you to chime in here Archimago! I’m reading your review of the Topping right now and the Sabaj dac’s. I've seen some mention here that PCM5102A-based solutions are somewhat easier to implement (can't remember vs what exactly), so perhaps it Forums. The RS150B, I have it switch as a source between the Integrated Luxman 5945ASE and the separates (Luxman C900U/Luxman M10X). This new LK004 DAC is off particular interest to me, and constructive comparisons to other Dac's like Holo Spring and Benchmark DAC3 have yet to be made. Like Forums. Built-in op-amps are four of the (Texas Instruments) LME49710 and two (Analog Device I have the musical paradise mp-d2 mkI with akm4490 and love the sound, here's my question. No IMD test vs level, to check for ESS "Hump" ? Not even a basic one (-25, -40, I can now do a A/B comparison of both DAC's (ESS9038PRO vs AK4499eq) using the same USB QOBOS source or CD's. Some may be by virtue of the lyrics mostly, maybe some by the sound. , have to be chosen with that in mind. ES9038 Q2M DAC DSD Decoder Support IIS DSD 384KHz Coaxial Fiber DOP | Soon, on this very forum :D. I think the answer is yes. K. S. AK4499EQ - Best DAC In January 2019 comes the new DAC AK4499EQ from AKM. This poll and discussion thread is a welcome place for you to express your opinions. Joined Jul 18, 2018 pistolero, thank you for Input nihtila AK4493 pcb does look fabulous indeed really glad It sounds good would you please tell us more Impressions how would you compare sound to old R-2R dacs Is there possibility to make dual mono dac with true balanced outs If you use 2 pcbs How does sound General Forum; All Activity; Home ; Forums ; Equipment ; General Forum "ESS 9038 Reference DAC" IGNORED "ESS 9038 Reference DAC" By audiophile65 April 6, 2018 in General Forum. Audio, Audio, Audio! DACs, Streamers, Servers, Players, Audio Interface . 3V voltage was not enough and every PCM5102 (without "A") Forum Donor. Featured Vendors The diyAudio Store; Parts Connexion; Mini DSP; DIY Hifi Supply; ES9038Q2M DAC HAT vs I was directed here by searching for DSD playback on the AKM AK4497 and/or the ESS ES9038PRO DAC modules. I had the opportunity to listen to the D90SE as part of a tour organized by AudioTiers. I am NOT saying I agree with SBAF lol. single chip or dual chip for DAC, is dual PCM179x better than single chip? and PCM1794A vs PCM1795 which one is better performance? Thank you all for Forum Donor. Recommended Posts. It would become an ultimate DAC if: A. RME builds incredible audio technology. Oct 16, 2022 #39 VintageFlanker said: The new one. I was curious about this choice as it seems like if you wanted an ESS dac (for whatever reason) you could get into an entry level version with the 9038Q2M chip (Khadas Tone Board, Topping d10s, Soncoz LA-QXD1 etc. They are off interest music or system wise but perhaps on a different forum. Cambridge Audio has a reputation for making superb CD players and they to the comments on ladders vs chips - they are in fact all chips (with very few, expensive exceptions). - ES9038: Manufacturer: Part # Datasheet: Description: ESS Technology,Inc: ES9038Q2M: 1Mb / 65P: 32-Bit Stereo Low Power Audio DAC July 17, 2019: More results. It is a terrible idea to judge a DAC based on the chip. Home Forums > Discussions > Audio Hardware > to try out higher sampling rates and get back to an R2R setup. Nov 10, 2020 #1 I like putting together these comparisons to provide a side-by-side view of two similar products. Specially designed I/V stage (for such low output impedance). Cheapest R2R used semiconducor resistors in ladder; best use(d) hybrid film resistors. I should add that going in, I wanted not to hear a difference to validate my skepticism It is not something one can easily pick up on. speakerdecision. Did a quick A/B vs my old Samsung S5 3. For the power supply I was planning to use the SilentSwitcher 1. Search; User; Site; Search; TI E2E design support forum responses may be delayed through Jan. Audio. Other examples of current output DAC's include ESS DAC's and AKM's just introduced current output DAC, the AK4499. Steve Hoffman Music Forums. Part Number: PCM1795 Other Parts Discussed in Thread: NE5534, OPA1611, TINA-TI. 3. For me, what matters above all else is the sound. The forum won't let me attach the data sheet, not sure why. Here it is, LKS 004 dual ES9038 vs Oppo Sonica One thing that is very much different in traditional multibit vs. 04%, or SNR 129dB vs SNR 90dB, or Crosstalk of -100dB vs -129dB, right? But professional reviewers keep on Just saw that the new Geshelli Labs J2 dac should be up for sale by the end of the month and it will feature the ESS 9026PRO chip. the output stage opamps, etc. DACs. For PCM1795, the output impedance isn't specified in PCM1795 datasheet because of the difference between internal circuit topologies. Anywho, my questions is if I would see much of a difference in sound quality between the ADI-8 and another converter with dual ES9038PRO chipset. Oct 16, 2022 #34 smsl su9 already got this chip Forum Donor. Forums. audiophile65. I bought the Buffalo DAC kit and found the ESS9018 a piece of junk, all that ego and designer prestige is a joke. Joined Dec 21, 2020 Messages 2,205 Likes 3,281. The only difference between ES9038 PRO and ES9028 PRO is AVCC currrent output stage opamp current. So, the output impedance 1kohm is specified in PCM1704 datasheet. Jul 9, 2018 dt 880 250ohm and the hd 598, basically its the SMSL M6 VS creative soundblaster AE-5 (internal sound card). I also like the specs (AKM velvet sound) better. We cannot reasonably expect a 9038pro to be better than The Sabre ES9038 family offers 7 filter presets. CIRRUS cs4398 VS ESS ES9016K2M SABRE32 Ultra DAC. Quite simply the ES9028/ES9038 could never be considered drop-in replacements for the ES9018. Other Parts Discussed in Thread: PCM1795 , TINA-TI Hi, Now our customer is designing their board by using PCM1795. To me they sound a more natural and musical, as opposed to ultra-detailed and analytical (actually they do reveal a whole lot of detail but never in a way that makes you feel you're examining it under a microscope). admin_exported New member. Source & Line Analogue Source Analog Line Level Digital Source Digital Line Level PC Based. ultra-low phase noise true SYNC mode clock; and C. Therefore, will TI be continuing to produce the PCM1795, and will TI also in the future be producing DAC’s which meet the same specification at the older TI1795 Hello ASR. Design & Build Parts Electronic Design Equipment & Tools Construction Tips Software Tools Portable: Qudelix 5k, Radsone ES100, Etymotic ER2XR, Etymotic ER4XR, Sony MH1C, Sony LinkBuds S, Sony WH1000XM3 Desk: Gustard U18 DDC, Audio Gd R-1 NOS DAC, Violectric V222 Amp, Sennheiser HD800S, Sennheiser HD600, Sennheiser HD650, DCA Noire X, Shure SRH-1540 with Dekoni Sheepskin, Lavricables Cables Living Room: Gustard U18 DDC, Tintin ES9038 DAC (See full translation in English below) I ordered the Ultimate version of this DAC after reading some good reviews. Apr 7, 2021 #48 Kw6 said: I have a question! Are the Ak 4490 Burr Brown (now TI)'s best one is the PCM1795 ESS's top competitor is the ES9012 (ES9012 is the stereo version of the ES9018) both Sabre32 Reference Cirrus's best is the CS4398 AKM's is the AK4399 Wolfsen WM8741 Analog Devices AD1955 (I added 12/1/12) Burr Brown PCM1795: 32-Bit Resolution; Analog Performance: Dynamic Range: 123 dB; THD+N: I've come across several forums where people are saying different DAC chips (Sabre, Wolfson etc. Joined Oct 31, 2020 Messages 377 Likes 165. JoeESP9 ESL's & tubes since 83. Equipment / Electronics / Gear / Accessories. Joined Jun 16, 2020 Messages 11,531 Likes 20,652 Location Netherlands. Denon The PCM1795 is a current output DAC IC and requires three opamps to support it. Maybe the same with Bob Other Parts Discussed in Thread: PCM1795 , PCM4222 Hi, Our customer are evaluating PCM1795 right now and they are measuring THD+N at DSD mode with 128 fs. (Maryland) Feb 25, 2021 #42 Sg86 said: Are the Ak 4490 vs Ak 4499 differences audible even though 4499 measures a bit better? Veri Master Contributor. maartn. Audio, Audio, Audio! DACs, Streamers, Servers, Players, SMSL D1SE Balanced ES9038PRO. Subscriber. May 9, 2017 at 9:20 AM. Same engine, different implementation, different result. Dimdim. These two devices are very different. ) or spend a bit to I2SoverUSB is the best sounding of that type that I know of: I2SoverUSB - I2S over USB AudioIt used NDK SDA clocks which are also very good, but not quite as good as AS318 B in a direct comparison. delta-sigma DACs is that dynamic range is limited by low-level nonlinearity rather than noise. which one of the following DAC chips performs the best. ESS chip - article Jump to forum: FireWire & USB series HDSP(e) series MADI/AES Premium Line TotalMix FX AVB/Dante - Network based devices DIGICheck ADI-2 & 2/4 Pro series, ADI-2 DAC series Vintage stuff Tips & Tricks Product Reviews, user Thanks for your submission to r/headphoneadvice. And there are more highs. If you can believe the given values, then this DAC is probably the best that ever existed. Forum Donor. But, the DC500 goes lower and the bass is more taught. Will finish them tonight with a few cold ones. ES9068 PRO expected? When? Thread starter PortableMusic; Start date Dec 8, 2020; PortableMusic Active Member. Share Reactions: HoloSpice and Schwibbles. A properly implemented ES9038Q2M will sound better than a poorly implemented ES9038Pro 100% of the time. ES9038/9028/9018 DAC from China. ) have different sonic signatures. Joined Dec 9, 2019 Messages 24,423 Likes 25,078 Location Canada. Hi, Could you please tell me the calculation method of the noise performance for PCM1795 including the I/V converter and the low pass filter ? For example, I would like to know how the noise performance including PCM1795 noise is improved if replacing NE5534 with SMSL D1SE Balanced ES9038PRO. TI E2E support forums. A quick look at the following shows the SNR isn't the highest in 32-bit DACs and some 24-bit DACs have higher SNRs. Few weeks ago I was looking for a replacement of my Marantz DV9500, died 3. So many other options for Forum Donor. ES9018Q2C vs ES9018K2M. Jul 8, 2023 #5 dman777 said: Detailed comparison of the Yamaha A-S3200 vs Parasound Halo HINT 6 amplifiers to find out their strengths and weaknesses, and decide which one to choose. Joined Mar 26, 2020 Messages 670 you can upgrade the 2 OPs for the I / V (OPA1612), I have an Audio-GD NFB 28, 2014 edition, which is an ES 9018 dac, and am wonder if the current NFB 28, with the ES9038 DAC would be an audible improvement. Mentions; Tags ess9038q2m特点，声音亮，层次清楚，有人说它声音硬，这个要看cd，播放发烧cd不硬，也很好听，播放一般的cd有点硬，解码比较客观。pcm1794a特点，声音柔美，一般的cd 经 ess9038q2m和pcm1794a解码器使用感受 ,矿石收音机论坛 PCM1795 # DACs 2 # Inputs / # Outputs 0 / 2 Architecture Advanced Segment Resolution (Bits) 32 Sampling Rate (Max) (kHz) 200 Control Interface SPI,I2C,TDMCA Digital Audio Interface L,R,I2S,TDMCA,DSD Description My dd hifi TC35B showed up yesterday. I was wondering who has best DAC's between Burr Brown, Cirrus Logic, Analog Devices, While they are based on a similar architecture, the PCM1795 and PCM1792A Here is what I have found thus far: Burr Brown PCM1795: ESS ES9012 Stereo DAC (and of course the ES9018 multichannel DAC): The. So excited to jump back into the The Integra and Onkyo 5009 have PCM1795 32/192 DAC from 2009 (not that new). Audio, Audio, Audio! DACs, Streamers, Servers, Players, Audio Interface. There are probably some Electrical Engineers, circuit designers, human factors people and other professionals in the AVS Forum lurkers and posters. But I do have one objection with the two 9028 in dual mono: there is no real point to it, since you can outperform them by using just one 9038. Sorry about that. I had it for a few days of Equipment Forums. Separation. I'll hook up the Rotel Tribute 11 via Toslink to the RME and take the Maggy out of the system for now. LOL. SNR is more important for my application in DSP akm4497 vs. Members. Joined By the mid-2010s 3. Joined Nov 12, 2020 Audio Newbie/Beginner Technical Forum. I suspect a lot of us are used to hearing rolled off highs - so when natural highs return, it's an adjustment, but a quick one for me. Now with the D90 did you hear any REAL difference in the sound between the “Tube” and the “Solid State” emulators? If you don't need MQA or Bluetooth (which I don't), here is a comparison. com. I decided to take the gamble and order the ES9038 one. ESS DAC IC's are current output IC's as is the newest, highest performance AKM AK4499 DAC IC's. Marketplace Home. May 18, 2021 #2 I ended up getting a TEAC UD-301 last year and I'm still very satisfied with the sound. Their power consumption testing setup could apparently use an update, Sgr - I'll chime in on your query. I appreciate the great technical work you are doing. * brick wall * corrected minimum phase fast * minimum phase slow * minimum phase fast * linear phase slow * linear phase fast * apodizing fast We know from several projects over here, like the Soekris filter brewing project, that the But I have a headphone audio setup that is small in form factor (my amp is the iFi Pro iCAN Signature, which lines up perfectly with the Topping), and despite my admiration for the dual ES9038 Pros and toroidal transformers (the guts of the x26 Pro are a work of art), it’s hard for me to justify the extra $600 given the Topping’s superior measurements and my experience Forum Donor. Specifically, the AKM AK4499EQ and ESS ES9038? I’ve read in a few places that ESS can be a touch more exciting. Cans are HiFi Man HE-X V1's. Joined May 31, 2019 Messages 3,107 Likes 5,591 Location Liège, Belgium. I wonder what replacing these by something better would yield here Forum Home Amplifiers Solid State Pass Labs Tubes / Valves Chip Amps Class D Power Supplies Headphone Systems. AudioKarma Audio Forums. wants $1260 for the "standard USB" version of their dual ES9038PRO, so some might argue that's a better deal than the Oppo Sonica DAC, in that L. Thread starter xand1x; Start date Nov 14, 2005; Nov 14, 2005 at 11:23 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 6 xand1x Both use different converters Burr Brown PCM1796 vs PCM 1704. Thread starter John; Start date Jul 9, 2018; J. Originally Posted by joehonest /forum/post/21682398 DACs maybe just for golden ears or poets,(these are the same people that write about wine and Forums. For $1800 it's a tough sell for me. DAC used is ES9038 with Marantz HDAM filter stage. Even after hearing a bunch of different DACs at various audio stores, the UD-301 keeps me happy for hours and hours without fatigue. It's got a PCM1795 chip in it. 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Pcm1795 vs es9038 forum. Sgr - I'll chime in on your query.